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A Declining Democracy's avatar

This literally gave me a knot in my stomach. You want to know which white women voted for Trump? Here they are, participating in their own oppression. I am so disgusted by this, I wish I hadn’t seen it. Gives me the heebie jeebies. Brrrrr!

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

It is sickening :(

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BC's avatar

Nasty white pedos molesting their daughters & pimping their wives … just like Donald Stanky Trump

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E2's avatar

I am the father of a brilliant, kind, and altogether wonderful daughter. Not that that should be necessary to recognize the basic precept that women and girls are whole and equal people.

The very idea of these images (regardless of exactly how they were created) makes me want to puke. Shame on any man who finds this acceptable.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Sounds like she’s very lucky to have a father like you.

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E2's avatar

Thanks. I am so proud of both her achievements and her character. I think maybe the best thing I (and her mother) have done is to give her the full support and encouragement to believe in herself, to speak and follow her own convictions, to be her authentic best self.

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C. Jacobs's avatar

I've just found another dark corner of this world I had no idea existed. I'm unable to discuss in an informed way how harmful the "chatty woman" trope is in general. I do know that binding your wife and daughter(s) up like kidnap victims in a hostage video, to shoot a family holiday photo, shows the worst possible judgment and taste. It's not only rude, it's hostile.

A man showing so little respect for his wife and any daughters, signals to others that he doesn't expect them to show much, or any, respect either. You can't represent the women in your house this way, claim you love them and truly mean it.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Nope definitely not what love is. And the internalized misogyny of the women agreeing to this and finding it funny is equally heartbreaking.

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Life in The Upside-Down's avatar

I'm not chatty but I do often have a lot to say - largely because I have to keep repeating myself because NO ONE FUCKING LISTENS TO WOMEN.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

I feel ya!!

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Wendy Wolf's avatar

This made me feel sick. In the book Vox, women were forced to wear (non-removable) bracelets (aka, shackles) that shocked them when they exceeded a word limit for the day. There were awards in school for the quietest girl and when the daughter of the protagonist’s family won the award, her mother (a scientist) was horrified. I feel so sad for these little girls. It took me ages to find my voice. And the boys? They’re creating monsters.

Imagine the converse. The women fist pumping and the men and boys with taped mouths and bound wrists. It would be met with horrified condemnation as a pernicious goal of “feminism.”

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

So so true. Women could never get away with this “joke”. And omg I read Vox so long ago and think i blocked it out.

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Wendy Wolf's avatar

It was painful. Still, I was riveted. Those recurring nightmares where I scream and no sound comes out... It tapped into something very real.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

I had those for years!

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Wendy Wolf's avatar

I’m sorry! And now you write to shine a light on it (and hopefully, change it).

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Carrie C's avatar

I think about that Vox book all the time. Along with the book, The Power by Naomi Alderman. Especially now with all that’s going on.

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Wendy Wolf's avatar

It was haunting. I have The Power but haven’t read it. The direction we’re taking is very, very disturbing.

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Deb Sinness's avatar

That is SO disturbing!

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

It really is. Hard to believe people find humor in that in this day and age.

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Sarah3000's avatar

They look like hostage photos. I had to take second look to see it was a gag photo. I can't imagine being in a relationship with a man who thought this was appropriate or funny.

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D Kitterman's avatar

They ARE hostage photos, intellectually stunted hostages. Trad females, in training. I'd like to kick these misogynists in their fucking balls.

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Tara Dawn Hartley's avatar

just discovered this. WTAF? bound and gagged CHILDREN!?! so not ok.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

I know. So gross. I'm sorry to be the bearer of the bad news...

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JDLS's avatar

What the eff is this?!? I thought the Christmas cards with families holding guns were the worst, but I think this trend surpasses it. Wow.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Right? Sickening.

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Diane Zzzzz's avatar

Ugly hideous disgraceful stupid stupid stupid women who participate in their own exploitation. I’ll never get females acceptance of subjugation.

I was fortunate to be born to an original feminist, although she would not have referred to herself as one. She was born in a Kentucky farm the eldest girl of seven children, whom she helped raise. She left the farm at seventeen as a high school graduate and moved 20 miles away where she worked as a bookkeeper for a local Ben Franklin store. When the war came, she went to Michigan where she was a real life Rosie the Riveter. One day at lunch she saw a WAF recruitment poster and she signed up! She became a flight attendant with MATS where she traveled all over the world, Europe, the Azores, Japan. She was stationed out of Hickum AFB in Hawaii where she met and married my dad and where I was born.

She raised me to have pride in myself. To stand up for myself. She was ahead of her time.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

THANK YOU for sharing this —so uplifting!! You were very lucky to be raised by someone who could think for herself.

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Linda Trammell's avatar

Your mom sounds like she was wonderful! Bet she had a world of stories to tell♥️

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Kat's avatar

Holy smokes! How disgusting and disturbing …. How dare they drag their children into their distorted view of women… both the boys AND girls. So very sad that it has come to this. Just wow. 😮

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Kat's avatar

….imagine what these little boys will be like as they grow 😓

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Right?! Like what a sick lesson to be teaching them.

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Tiana Smith's avatar

I missed the “joke.” I don’t believe this is humorous, I think it is sexist and cruel.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Yup but people have been laughing at women's expense forever bc ya know, it's just a joke, and if you can't take the joke then you fit the stereotype of the humorless nag. #cantwin

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Jaxs1955's avatar

I agree it is disturbing. My question is what if all females in that family are being abused? By giving a Christmas family card with that scene, everyone would think it was a joke, but in reality it is just happening one more time.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Yup. Although someone in the comments said it led to a CPS call so maybe there was a silver lining? I doubt it though…

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the real pambo's avatar

What fresh hell is this? I’m glad I know about this now. Empathy has been replaced with cruelty. We must publicly rebuke this hideous practice and treat it as a danger to younger generations.

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D Kitterman's avatar

Republicans: The cruelty is exactly the point.

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Lisa's avatar

Oh.my.god!!!! You have GOT to be kidding me!!!! I don’t care if they thinks it’s funny or clever or whatever. Yes, this is deeply disturbing.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

People have been laughing at women's expense for eons...even women :(

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Patrice Martin's avatar

Meanwhile, in Afghanistan women are being systematically erased from society. Full burkas, not being allowed to speak or sing in public, forbidding women from providng medical care, no education after 6th grade…the list is long and growing. How American women cannot imagine this as our future is frightening. Erasure us a long game. The path forward from these egregious “peace on earth” cards is very clear. Wake up!

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Yes! Exactly why I write this newsletter. It's a very slippery (and scary) slope.

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Rebekah West's avatar

I am thoroughly repulsed. I didn’t take it as a comment on the trope of female voices, though I suppose that’s what they intended. I took it in the context of today’s news about the Taliban forbidding windows lest a neighbor see a woman through one and be stricken by lust. I saw hatred of feminine everything and twisted mothers leading the hate. I wish I hadn’t seen it.

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Jo-Ann Finkelstein, PhD's avatar

Yes. It's a very slippery slope :(

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